Tech startup employee is expected to work on days they take PTO, internet discusses the fallacy of ‘unlimited’ PTO policies: ‘[It] really means no PTO’

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  • "Unlimited PTO is a scam."
  • "My ‘unlimited’ PTO policy is ruining my life. What do I do to stay sane while I look for another job?"

    I 1 (27F) work for a very intense tech startup with an "unlimited" PTO policy. I took last Friday off, had this Monday off as a company holiday, and planned to take tomorrow off.
  • Last Friday, I wound up getting pulled into an urgent project and worked 80% of the day. This past Monday, it was a "company wide holiday" but all my coworkers were online and working anyway,
  • which made me feel forced into working since people were slacking me asking for things, so I was online all day on Monday. I
  • was just informed today I have to join a call at 10 AM tomorrow morning. I am losing my mind because I haven't taken a real day off in many months.
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  • I know I could dig my heels in and insist I take the day off I put in to take off, but this will only hurt my standing with the company. Our company CEO works 7 days a week and those who overwork
  • themselves are rewarded, while those who take time off are penalized. They don't say this is why people are being let go, but I recognize the patterns. My boss is amazing but he also is forced
  • to work on his days off and can't really help me. In fact, he's supposed to be off today and responding to messages as we speak
  • my I love the work I do. I like coworkers. I work from home. I make great money. I know this isn't a healthy work life balance, but I'm not having a lot of luck in this job market and leaving feels like the wrong decision.
  • What do I do to set boundaries and stay sane in the meantime without losing my job? I'm thinking about rescinding some of the hours I already took off just so they're not recorded as days
  • off. But I am really not sure what else to do. This is starting to affect my health after two years and I am worried I won't find a new job before I totally burn out
  • xtc46 This has nothing to do with a PTO policy and everything to do with the org culture of not respecting PTO (and your inability to hold that line out of fear).
  • LanEvo7685 I'll work as hard as the CEO if I have as much ownership % as the CEO.
  • Normal_Donut_6... Unlimited PTO really means no PTO. It's just a scam.
  • b1gb0n312 Turn off computer at 5pm the day before you take pto. Don't install any company communication app on your phone.
  • fisher101101 Unlimited PTO is just so they dont' have to pay it out when you quit in states where that is required.
  • LakeKind5959 turn your out of office message on and don't respond. That's the only way to get people to respect boundaries.
  • Eco605 Take the pto. Tell him you need a day off. You are a human, not a robot. And then shut everything off. I promise you this company doesn't care about you, and will replace you in a minute. Take the pto.
  • sjgokou 1. Unlimited PTO is a scam. 2. Your CEO is not working 7 days a week. They pretend to keep you in the office working. I know this type of person.
  • While they are taking the family to Disneyland and going on vacation. They are on their mobile device off and on, randomly taking conference calls here and there. Overall 1~2 hours tops. UNLESS hes literally in the office grinding. A CEO grinds his employees.

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